DX8 Topic 12 - Food Wars - Vegan or Carnivore?

Monday 14 December 2020, 6:30 pm - 8:30 pm

Venue: POD1 - Cafe Brunelli, 187 Rundle St · Adelaide

About Focus Questions: a) Please read them before you come to the meetup. Think about them so you have more than "instant opinions" to offer. b) Feel free to add more focus questions. c) THE FOCUS QUESTIONS ARE JUST A MENU TO CHOOSE FROM. From this menu we can discuss whatever seems interesting. d) Focus questions are not intended to push one viewpoint! You can adopt any position you wish. We actually like friendly disagreement - it can lead to deeper understanding

Focus Questions

1. What is the story behind your own personal diet? Has it changed? How/why?

2. Enthusiasts for Vegan and Carnivore diets mostly claim the same kind of personal improvements in their health. What's going on here?

3. What are the upsides and downsides of being an omnivore? The paleo-biological study of human diets clearly shows that homo sapiens, and even earlier human predecessors, have always been omnivores. So what has changed in modern times (post World War II) to drive large dietary movements devoted to vegetarian/vegan diets, and more recently, carnivorous diets?

4. In countries like the United States, Australia (and many others), since the 1970s a large part of the population has become much fatter. What has caused this change (and the accompanying chronic health problems)?

5. How useful are the nutrition, ingredient and calorie labels on packaged food? Do you look at them? How do you interpret these labels.

6. Why do you think that food choices are often associated with political attitudes?

7. Beyond basic nutrition, national and ethnic diets are often defended hotly, even violently? Why is this? It can cost a friendship to tell somebody that you don't much like their country's cooking. It's worse than saying you don't like their favourite music ... Is there a way around this kind of cross cultural conflict?

8. We hear a lot about "super foods" which somehow contain magical ingredients to guarantee your health. These magical ingredients are usually broken down into the effects of particular ingredients. They might 'lower your cholesterol' or 'supercharge your muscles'... and so on. This is great marketing, but how much sense does it actually make?

9. Certain kinds of food are said to be rich in particular vitamins, minerals or other micro-nutrients. However, how much do different soils, fertilization, water quality and climate affect the real composition of what you buy in the supermarket?

10. Imitation meat is becoming more convincing from a taste point of view. Is it a real substitute for people who prefer to eat meat. How about meat which can now be grown (synthesized) in laboratories rather than being taken from animals?


Extra Reading & Links

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Peter Wilson (April/May 2019) ""Death of the Calorie. - For more than a century we’ve counted on calories to tell us what will make us fat. Peter Wilson says it’s time to bury the world’s most misleading measure". 1843 Magazine @ https://www.1843magazine.com/features/death-of-the-calorie 

James Tapper (5 January 2020) Red meat plays vital role in diets, claims expert in fightback against veganism - As millions cut out animal products, farming conference hears that fruit and vegetables have been drained of nutrients". The Guardian @ https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jan/05/red-meat-diet-modern-vegetables-lack-nutrients-fightback-veganism 

Adrienne Matei (18 November 2020) ""Laugh if you want, but the 'McPlant' burger is a step to a greener world - McDonald’s sells 75 burgers every second. Its embrace of plant-based meat alternatives could make a real difference". The Guardian @ https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/18/laugh-if-you-want-but-the-mcplant-burger-is-a-step-to-a-greener-world 

Jane Hansen (January 19, 2020) Diet wars: Vegans and Carnivores battle for world food supremacy - They are at opposite ends of the dining table. Vegans, who avoid all animal products including dairy, are a growing and loud movement gaining traction around the world. But Carnivores, who eat everything vegans shun – meat, eggs, and animal fats, and nothing else – are also growing in numbers". The Sunday Telegraph @ https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/diet-wars-vegans-and-carnivores-battle-for-world-food-supremacy/news-story/641f3cf2d1096d3445d52a7971c4ed7f 

Lutz website (March 12, 2020) "Vegan or Carnivore: The Polarity of Dieting in 2020". Lutz website @ https://www.lutznutrition.ca/blog/polarity-of-diets-vegan-vs-carnivore-2020-trends-nutrition 

Mark Whittaker (25 July 2020) "'I f---ing love meat': the athletes who swear by a 'carnivore' diet - A small but growing group of athletes credit an “animal-based” diet with not only improving performance, but fixing various health ailments. Peer-reviewed proof? No, anecdata. Still, it’s feeding a meaty argument." Sydney Morning Herald @ https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-f-ing-love-meat-the-athletes-who-swear-by-the-carnivore-diet-20200604-p54zn7.html 

Gabby Landsverk (October 2, 2020) ""Why vegans and meat-eaters can't stop attacking each other". Insider website @ https://www.insider.com/why-do-angry-vegans-meat-eaters-fight-so-much-2020-2 

Olivia Solon (11 May 2018 ) ""They mock vegans and eat 4lb of steak a day - meet 'carnivore dieters' - An extreme, all animal-based diet is gaining followers in search of heightened productivity, mental clarity, and a boosted libido. But experts express doubts". The Guardian @ https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/may/11/the-carnivore-diet-all-meat-health-benefits-dangers 

CarnivoreAurilius website (March 4, 2020) Veganism Kills More Animals Than The Carnivore Diet". CarnivoreAurilius website @ https://carnivoreaurelius.com/veganism-kills/ 

Alina Petre ( August 5, 2016) : "Vegan vs Vegetarian - What's The Difference?" Healthline website @ https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vegan-vs-vegetarian#TOC_TITLE_HDR_7

John McArdle (August 30, 2000) "Humans are Omnivores". Vegetarian Resource Group @ https://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm 

Michael Pollan (January 28, 2007) "Unhappy Meals - Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." New York Times @ https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28nutritionism.t.html  [Thor, comment: a long read, but very informative]

NSW Hen Rescue (n.d.) Defensive omnivores". Collection by NSW Hen Rescue on Pinterest @ https://www.pinterest.com.au/CRKelaher/defensive-omnivores/  [many photo memes}

Kristin Limoges (March 28, 2020) "What Happens to Your Body When You Stop Eating Sugar - Fighting those cravings is life changing—literally". Domino @ https://getpocket.com/explore/item/what-happens-to-your-body-when-you-stop-eating-sugar 

Lisa Feldman Barrett (November 23, 2020) "Your Brain Is Not for Thinking - In stressful times, this surprising lesson from neuroscience may help to lessen your anxieties". New York Times @ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/opinion/brain-neuroscience-stress.html

Zhang Yangfei (4 December 2020) "Experts say 'fake meat' may not cook up a storm in China - Despite a lukewarm market response so far, manufacturers have high hopes for alternative protein products". China Daily @ http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202012/04/WS5fc98be5a31024ad0ba99b80.html



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Convenor : Thor May thormay@yahoo.com Personal website (legacy) http://thormay.net
Articles http://independent.academia.edu/thormay  (.. about 147 articles by Thor)


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